Let's talk about substrate!

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Discuss all topics related to freshwater and planted tanks.


spongebob4460
 
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by spongebob4460

Just thinking.. wouldn't most plants in nature grow outwards to the sun and reach the surface where co2 would be readily available. The plants aquarists keep must be trimmed and submerged, and therefore require co2 injected into the water column. I might be way off, just guessing.


Peterkarig3210
 
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by Peterkarig3210

from what people on plantgeek have been telling me is that co2 doesn't dissolve into water and eventually reach the same percentage as it has in the atmosphere. That means that plants cannot get that atmospheric percentage until they actually break the surface. It's light that actually stunts growth on a plant. If you plant a plant and plant it sideways the stem on the side exposed to light, the top, will slow it's growth compared to the growth on the non exposed side. This causes the plant to "bend" toward the light. This is also why when a plant is not given enough light it will grow fast and be spindly and weak.


LeviNHeidi4480
 
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by LeviNHeidi4480

My plants were growing pretty well without high lighting or CO2. I recently upgraded my lighting from about .5 WPG to nearly 3 WPG and I have seen a difference. The plants were getting streched out under the low-light and since adding the higher lighting, they are growing new leaves near the bottom of the stalks like crazy. I also set up a simple DIY CO2 system last week to test it out. I simply made a mixture of Yeast, Sugar, and Water in a 2L soda bottle. A hole was cut in the cap to allow the airline tubing to set about 1 inch into the bottle. I used silicon sealant to seal and hold the tubing and put a no-return valve in the middle of the tubing so the water from the tank can't return to the bottle and cause a syphoning overflow mess and destroy my tank! I put the other end in the intake of my HOB filter so the impeller can dissolve the CO2 bubbles and return them to the tank. It began bubbling about 1 hour later and has been going strong for about 5 days now. I have been monitoring the PH and it is holding steady at 7. I guess time will tell if the CO2 is really benefitting the plants.


Peterkarig3210
 
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by Peterkarig3210

How do you monitor the co2 levels so you don't poison your fish? Do you use pH as an indicator with dissolved co2 becoming carbonic acid? I want to make one of these DIY co2 systems. Could you give the ingredients and amounts of each?


LeviNHeidi4480
 
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by LeviNHeidi4480

Yeah, I am monitoring the PH as an indicator. I read up on this a bit and the main indicators are the PH getting too low and the fish gulping for air. We run our bubble wand every once in a while to keep O2 levels up (not sure if it actually does anything, but looks cool). Out fish have been just as active as the day I added the system, so it doesn't seem to be a problem. Other indicators have also remained steady. One thing I should have done that people recommend, but isn't probably necessary, is to add a second smaller bottle between the CO2 chamber and the tank so any backwater from the tank or gunk from the mixture is trapped. There is an awesome how to at the following link regarding DIY CO2.

http://www.fishforever.co.uk/carbondioxide.html

I put 2 cups sugar into a 2L bottle and filled it to the top of the label with warm water. Shake this around to dissolve the sugar. I then added about 1 tsp of Dry Active Yeast. The amount of yeast is a great way to monitor CO2 also. As I used the higher end of the spectrum, it is producing more CO2 at a faster rate. Recommendations are between 1/2 to 1 tsp. I will probably add less in my next mixture. Also, the no-return valve was a check-valve. I couldn't think of the name last time.


Peterkarig3210
 
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by Peterkarig3210

Thanks. I'll see about getting this going. It would be fun to see an accelerated growth of my plants. I want to sculpt or compose a nice anubias on the new wood stump I just bought, and I'm trying for maximum cool root growth. I used to have one that's roots grew down over a rock with grooves in it and the roots followed the path of the grooves in the rock. I guess I like the rainforest/jungle look.


Poetic_irony3872
 
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by Poetic_irony3872

I am sure that your question has been answerred, however i use eco-complete, as well as a small amount of white sand just for a little bit of a salt and pepper look, only on one side of my tank it's pretty neat and is also quite effective, my plants have never been better looking, the eco-complete is perfect. no need for the sand other than the look i was going for.

Hope this helps.
Brandon


Peterkarig3210
 
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by Peterkarig3210

Still waiting for those new pics of your to be reviewed Brandon!


Poetic_irony3872
 
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by Poetic_irony3872

LOL peter am uploading them today, you will be the first to know when i have em on here. i'll send ya the links. :-)
Brandon


Peterkarig3210
 
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by Peterkarig3210

Awesome. I recently started up a planted 35 gallon long with a double VHO light and the hair algae was introduced from some plants I put in. I'm hoping I can find some SAE's and they'll do the job on it. It's only on a few of the plants. I've been adding liquid fertiliser with a peice of air tubing. I suck up a few inches and shoot it in under the roots figuring it's best to reduce fert in the water column as much as possible.

Let's talk about substrate!

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