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nicholas542
 
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by nicholas542

PH: 7.6
Ammonia: 0 ppm
Nitrate: 10-20 ppm


stingraysrule
 
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by stingraysrule

I wonder why your ph is 7.6. That seems a nit high for a planted tank.
Driftwood will be good to lower the ph some.
Plants like low ph and do much better in it. See if you can get your water down to at least 7.0, even if you have to add some more driftwood.


nicholas542
 
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by nicholas542

my tap water has a ph of 7.6 I'm going to try SeaChem Neutral 7.0 tommarow.


yasherkoach
 
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by yasherkoach

if you must use a chemical, I will agree with you, SeaChem Neutral Regulator will keep a 7.0 ph maintained.

you can add it directly to the water that you use while replacing the old water (on water change day/night)

personally, I would prefer to go the natural route and put some more wood inside the tank, to help lower the ph...but your choice

then again, of course dependent on your fish, most fish can tolerate 7.6, but if you want a much lower ph or a 7.0/neutral, then yes, you can add that chemical every so often and it will automatically maintain it at 7.0 ph


nicholas542
 
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by nicholas542

i did a 50% water change to get the nitrate down from 40 to 20 ppm. I finally got a API freshwater test kit today.


yasherkoach
 
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by yasherkoach

test every other day for 2 weeks, as you manipulate the tank with either chemical, wood, water change, etc, you will see fluctuations until it remains steady at 7.0...after about one week of steady 7.0 (knowing it is 7.0 via testing of course), then you can consider your tank okay


snostorm
 
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by snostorm

How does the chemical work at keeping it at 7? I was considering using it


nicholas542
 
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by nicholas542

i don't know how it works, but it does. I put some in my tank this morning, and tested my water just now. It's right at 7.0ppm PH


dream2reef
 
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by dream2reef

The bad thing about doing that is that you have to do it all the time. Most, if not all, of your fish are bought from fish farmers that are using the same tap water as everyone else to raise these fish. Otherwise there'd be no profit. Therefore the fish already are acclimated to the water's ph and are very adaptable some fish have a huge ph range to live in. But jus sayin it could be more hassle then good plus it's worse for huge ph fluctuations so rapidly and whatnot. I'm no expert but it makes sense.


yasherkoach
 
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by yasherkoach

dream2reef makes one excellent point, every 2-4 weeks you will have to add the regulator during a water change for the rest of the time you own that tank

on how the chemical reduces the ph, the besy way I can describe it is as follows:

neutral regulator adjusts pH to neutral (pH 7.0) from either a low or high pH and maintains it there. It softens water by precipitating calcium and magnesium while removing any chlorine, chloramine, or ammonia. The use of neutral regulator makes other conditioning unnecessary. Neutral Regulator is a phosphate based buffer providing a very strong and stable buffering system.

I'm going to copy & paste an excellent article on ph and hardness. It is the best article out there on the web to understand the issue regarding ph and its effects. I will be very long, but if you understand this article by the time you are finished reading it, I promise you, you will have a thorough understanding of ph.

One of the most common problems encountered by the aquarist is maintaining a constant pH level. Many hobbyists fail to understand the importance pH plays in the aquarium and what factors influence the pH reading.

When considering pH, rather than having a goal of a specific reading, you should have a goal of stability. Although 7.0 may be the optimal pH level for a given fish, the same fish will likely thrive at a constant level anywhere between 6.6 and 7.4. It may even survive at constant levels between 6.2 and 7.8. It is the drastic swings which can occur in pH that we as hobbyists are trying to prevent. Our goal as aquarists should be to establish a very consistent pH level, even if that level is slightly outside the “ideal” pH reading for a given species. In other words, a constant pH of 6.6 is better than a pH value which fluctuates between 6.6 and 7.0, even for a fish which prefers a 7.0 reading.

The property of water to resist changes in pH is known as buffering capacity. You can determine the capacity of your buffering system by measuring total hardness. A reading of 4-6 dH or higher is usually adequate to keep the buffering system in place and maintain a stable pH. A reading under 4 dH means there isn't enough of a buffering system and the pH is likely to drop. For higher pH levels, you will probably want to aim for 6-12 dH. Many hobbyists choose to measure only Carbonate Hardness (KH), which is a measure of the calcium carbonates in your water. This test is also effective in maintaining a proper buffer system. When testing for Carbonate Hardness, a reading of 75-100 mg/L is adequate for most aquariums, while a reading of 100-200 mg/L would be desired for higher pH levels. For the purpose of freshwater aquariums, measuring either total hardness or carbonate hardness is necessary, but measuring both independently would not be needed.

Fortunately, your aquarium water usually has a natural supply of dissolved minerals which make up a buffer system to keep your pH stable. All of these dissolved minerals together make up the total hardness of your aquarium. As aquarists, in addition to testing the pH of your water, you need to test for total hardness. Knowing your pH reading alone does not tell the entire story. Only by testing total hardness can you predict that your pH will remain stable after you adjust it to the appropriate level. This is due to natural biological processes that occur in your aquarium, such as fish respiration and organic waste breakdown, which result in acids that neutralize the bicarbonate ions that make up the buffer system. Aquarists replenish these buffers and increase total hardness with partial water changes, and help keep the buffer system intact with routine aquarium maintenance, such as cleaning filter pads and vacuuming the substrate.

I would like to briefly address why each of these parts of your aquarium maintenance routine are necessary for stabilizing pH in the aquarium. You need to know that anywhere in your aquarium where detritus (a fancy term for dirt) accumulates is a source of Phosphate production. As detritus accumulates in your gravel bed and on your filter pads, the Phosphate levels in your aquarium rise. Free Phosphate ions may bond with calcareous buffering material, precipitating calcium from your aquarium, and reducing your aquariums ability to keep pH stable. This is why it is so very important to clean your filter pads regularly and vacuum the aquarium gravel with each water change. In addition, your tap water contains buffering ions. Doing regular partial water changes will help to replenish the buffers which have been lost. This is important in all aquariums, because fish respiration and organic wastes alone will cause a gradual drop in the ability of your aquarium to buffer against pH swings.

Now the question becomes what to do if the fish you want to keep have very special pH requirements. If your fish prefer a pH level which is reasonably close to the pH your aquarium water is naturally buffered to, then I do not recommend you make any changes at all. Unless you are keeping an extremely specialized fish your fish will be fine. On the other hand, if your fish have pH requirements which are far from the values in your tank, then you have work to do.

Let us consider methods of raising the pH of your tap water. There are many additives on the market today which claim to raise your pH. I have found most of the liquid products to be 50/50 success at best when used alone. You also need to use a product to increase the buffering ability of your aquarium. To maintain a stable pH in the upper levels of the pH scale for fishkeeping, I would recommend using a buffering substrate such as crushed coral. You can add crushed coral to your existing aquarium. I personally place the crushed coral in a mesh bag and place the bag under my gravel substrate. You will want about 1 kg of crushed coral per 40 liters of water to buffer the water to hold a pH around 7.6. Alternatively, some hobbyists choose to place a mesh bag of crushed coral in their power filter. This method does not allow for the use of large quantities of crushed coral, but can be effective if you only need to make small adjustments to your aquariums buffering ability. If you prefer not to used crushed coral, there are many buffering powders available on the market which are effective at increasing the hardness and/or alkalinity of your aquarium. You simply add the powder to your aquarium water according to the directions. This method tends to create more rapid changes in your water hardness, which can be dangerous if you are not experienced in adjusting hardness and pH. The safest method is to use crushed coral. By first increasing your aquariums ability to buffer the water, you can now adjust your tap water pH to the appropriate level and add it to your aquarium. There are many products on the market to accomplish this. It is often the case that your tap water naturally has a high pH and no adjustment is necessary. You probably only need to add crushed coral to help your aquariums buffer system maintain a high pH.

Lowering the pH is a more extensive task. If you simply add a product such as “pH Down” this will not work. Your buffering system will simply very quickly raise the pH back to its original state. You must remove the buffering ions from your tap water so that you may lower the pH. The best way to accomplish this is to purchase a Tap Water Purifier unit. These units filter the water from your faucet using an ion exchange resin. The resulting water is free of the salts and minerals which buffer your water. Aquarium Pharmaceuticals makes a nice compact Tap Water Purifier specifically designed for aquarium use. This is the only reliable method I know of to reduce the buffering ability of your aquarium water and to lower pH. Without purified water, you may be able to lower your pH for a day or two, but without first removing the buffering ions your pH will climb again to natural levels. This fluctuation in pH is much worse than having the wrong pH to begin with. As an additional option, I should mention that many hobbyists use peat to soften their water. By running peat in your power filter, or by placing a layer of peat under your gravel, you will soften your water. This technique can work well, but is more complicated, less predictable, and probably best avoided by the inexperienced hobbyist.

I have personally found that it is easier to buy fish which fit the pH of your water supply, especially if your tap water has a high pH. There are literally hundreds of fish available in the hobby which can thrive in the 6.6 to 7.8 pH range. I am certain that regardless of your pH level, there are fish which you will enjoy keeping and which will thrive in your aquarium.

Be assured that attempting to control pH is the most frustrating experience for a new hobbyist. I would guess that 50% of the problems encountered in new aquariums are a result of the aquarist attempting to change the pH level. Few fish keepers actually need to adjust their pH. For the majority of aquarists your tap water pH will be adequate. The dangers of adjusting the pH incorrectly far outweigh any benefit you may receive by moving your pH a few points on the scale.

Remember, when it comes to adjusting your pH, less is more! Stability is most important. Routine maintenance is the key to keeping your pH stable and your fish healthy!

BY: Mark 'Ffishmaster' Lehr

if you made it this for, one will have all the information on the issue of ph (this article should be the "poster article", so to speak, whenever anyone on this forum has a question about ph.

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