Undergravel Filter

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spongebob4460
 
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Undergravel Filter

by spongebob4460

Ok i have done quite some research online, but wanted everyone's opinion on undergravel filters. Does siphoning the gravel pull waste up from under the gravel filter, I don't feel like the suction is reaching down that far. Also, not quite sure how water moves from under the filter/gravel up through the tubes and back into the top... with no suction. Are the air stones creating some sort of current system?


Peterkarig3210
 
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by Peterkarig3210

Exactly, current goes down through the gravel, through the slits in the UG filter, and up the riser tubes. The biological (cycling) activity of the filter occurs as water is directed past millions of tiny bacteria that are growing within the substrate attached to the surfaces of gravel. Powerheads greatly increase the function of UG filters. I've wondered myself about conditions under the filter and I'm more concerned with the leakage of gravel into this space which can block and alter the water flow there. I believe that most of the leakage does not occur through the filter slits but by substrate getting around the sides and under the edges esp near where the riser tubes are connected; the 2 back corners. You also have to be careful to seal all the holes in the sides of the filter before installation, if there are any. I think it's important, esp if you have finer material as substraight, to be careful not to tug and move the riser tubes after everything is set up because it can cause the back corners to lift up allowing material to get under. Once a few pieces of gravel get caught under the edges it is potentially difficult to get these edges to sit tight to the bottom again, allowing substraight to move under the edges in mass. I take a powerhead, and while pressing down on the riser tube and keeping it in a vertical position (thus maintaining a seal around the bottom edge of the filter plate), place the outlet of the powerhead into the orifice of the tube. I imagine that whatever is building up at the bottom of the tubes will then be blasted away from the area where the water leaves the UG filter and enters the tube (during normal operation). Then put the powerhead back on correctly. You can't do this with an air stone, so in that case I think it's best to not let gravel get underneath in the first place. I often punch out the screen at the bottom of the riser tubes so there can be more flow as well, but be careful not to allow any fish to get down there. I have pretty deep substraight on top of my UG filters so it's more important for me to have a powerhead to create enough suction, but if you only have an inch or so of coarse gravel with no smaller sized pieces as most plant growing mediums have the air stone is probably good enough. About suctioning the gravel: I don't believe that you can influence anything below the filter plate with that. Maybe with a very low flow situation where the air stone isn't creating enough suction there could be a buildup of organic waste, but I wouldn't worry too much about that. Keeping the gravel itself clean is the most important thing because that is where the majority of the biological activity for cycling is occuring. Maybe you could influence sitting detrius under the plates by pouring water into the tank with the intention of getting some of the pouring flow through the slits. That may move some of whatever's there closer to the riser tubes, but I doubt it's a big deal. One last thing: It's important to maximise suction with an airstone set-up by pushing the stone down as far as possible and by making the riser tube as long as possible ( close to the surface). As you can see, I have plenty of time on my hands these days. Hope I've been helpful!


spongebob4460
 
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by spongebob4460

I appreciate your advice once again, that was very helpful thanks. I've retubed my air stones and moved them close to the bottom of the riser tubes. I also don't believe I have any gravel caught underneath the UG filter, but this has also been a concern of mine. By the way, on a different note, my brown/red algae seems to have sunsided by itself, after I took out two (artificial) plants that were very infected, and improved my filter flow. We'll see what happens.


Peterkarig3210
 
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by Peterkarig3210

I checked out your tank and with the gravel you have air stones are probably fine. Concerning that algae: I have a water chemistry kit for FW aquariums and I found that my pH was low, < 6.0, acidic. I read that this algae is known to live in acidic conditions. I've balanced the pH and it's maintaining at 7.0 neutral. I now appreciate my tilapia as it likes to rip and tear at it. Tilapias must be a little like cichlids which are popular on this site. I'll post on the other topic you posted on algae when I can see improvement. I think I waited too long to do a water change even though ammonia and nitrites were zero. I'll get back to you later.

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