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 milky


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Post Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:33 pm GMT   Reply      

one of my freind got a 10 gallon we put rocks in water but no dirty water we put cycel in and water conditioner we made sure the ph was at like 7.0 or 7.2 nutral after like 3 weeks i gave her the fish that i hade in my 10 gallon , after like her bday i bought her a new eclips lid this she put that new lid on this febuary her ph hase been blue . she hasent hade a change to do a water change i said maby just do a 30 % weve tryed to get the ph down but it just woulnd come down so i gave her the powder one couse she was using that water type stuff. so sould it be 30% or more her 3 guppies are still alive i cant belive they are help i dont know what went wrong???????



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Post Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:38 pm GMT   Reply      

what is her current ph rating? Blue isnt necessarily bad. You could always add driftwood, this is what made my ph come down considerably. it doesnt sound like you need to be doing water changes... if the tank is still cycling your ph will probably be lower than normal, not higher, if im not mistaken. Post all your water test resutls and we can be of more help milky.



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Post Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:41 pm GMT   Reply      

The pH of most municipal tap water is very high, blue on most test strips, so when you do water changes it will raise the pH. What I do with my big tank is balance the trend for a tank's pH to lower over time with water changes to bring it back to around 7.0 or wherever your fish need it. Right now I end up changing about 30% every 2-3 weeks, but for you this will depend on the fish load you have and how much you feed them and whatever if any live plants there are in the tank. I am not a chemist and I don't know if pH drop has a relationship to how well the tank is cycling, but ammonia and nitrites in the water definitely do and there should be none of these in a properly cycled tank, only a slow build up of nitrates necessitating water changes on a periodic basis. I seem to have a good balance between doing water changes of about 30% every 2-3 weeks and adding alkaline (dechlorinated with conditioner) tap water to balance the pH.



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Post Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:55 pm GMT   Reply      

well i asked her and her ph chart can only read to 7.4 but i dont know if she could add any other fish with it she just wants guppies its just its her first time having a tank and i dont know why her ph wont come down i have never hade a prblem like that ill try the wood she hase no live plants in ther all facke she feeds them every other day , thanks guys will try that



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Post Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:11 pm GMT   Reply      

dont worry about high ph... a stable ph is more important... and the driftwood will help.



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Post Thu Mar 20, 2008 1:03 pm GMT   Reply      

ok ya water change didnt do nothing well weher soking the wood right now and she gonna get a high ph tester bc she wants to know how high it is thaks a lot for ur help



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Post Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:00 pm GMT   Reply      

She could buy spring water. I think that should be pretty safe for the fish. I guess I would test one gallon before bought a tanks worth.



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Post Fri Mar 21, 2008 11:49 pm GMT   Reply      

I'm not sure if you understood that it's the tap water that has a very high pH. If she has a low fish load she doesn't need to do water changes more than once a month in my opinion. As the water ages in the tank the pH should go down. I've had more success with pH 7.0 neutral stabiliser than pH lowering products. If the pH is slowely going down as the water ages I would just make sure there is no ammonia or nitrites and only do water changes once a month. Make sure there is charcoal in the filter and it's clean. Maybe do water changes with spring water. That pH shouldn't be very high.



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Post Sat Mar 22, 2008 6:09 pm GMT   Reply      

ya she tested her tap water and the ph was high , i know guppies like high ph or u can have them at 8 but she wants other fish so where trying to get it down to 7.0 so shes gonna get her water tested and shes gonna hvto buy a buffer .



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Post Sat Mar 22, 2008 10:14 pm GMT   Reply      

I agree with Spongebob.

Unless you're looking to breed, or keeping somewhat specialised fish (discus - low Ph, rift lake cichlids, high Ph - but bigger tank that a 10g need) a stable Ph is far more important than a notional 'ideal'.



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Post Sun Mar 23, 2008 6:19 pm GMT   Reply      

I guess in all the years I've used tap water and didn't know the pH I never had any problems with my fish. There was the occasional ick to deal with and fungus, but the probable high pH didn't seem to hurt any, so I'm with Spongebob and Coler on this.



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Post Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:43 pm GMT   Reply      

ok, well her guppies are dying one buy one i guess they cant handel the hight ph she hade 6 now down to 2 and ther couer isendt nice no more either im gonna see and test her water for nitreite and amonia thanks for ur info



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Post Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:22 pm GMT   Reply      

Try doing a 30% water change with only distilled water, or buy 1 gallon of spring water and test the pH. The distilled water should be only be used to do 1 water change to dilute the water in the tank. Don't keep using only distilled as the tank needs the minerals in regular water. Either that or get 1 gallon spring and check it's pH. If it's good or around 7 she can do 100% of the 30% water changes with it. Sorry to hear about these fish! Smaller tanks are more difficult to keep balanced. She should do daily 30% water changes if ammonia and nitrites are measurable, and nitrates are over 30 ppm. Nitrates should normally rise over time, but up to 30 isn't critical. It should be less than 10 ideally.
I've read that it's better to add the correct pH water than to add a pH lowering buffer.

Anyone else have any ideas?



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Post Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:47 pm GMT   Reply      

do u mean like 7.0 stuff she tryed that and it said it would corecet it and nothing happend so im gonna check her water and give her bogwood see if that will help and see how high her ph actualy is couse with the regualre one 7.4 it stopes its hard to say i havto do it my self ill try that with that water, thanks so mutch



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Post Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:48 pm GMT   Reply      

i know ph dosent matter but she dosent want it that high she wants it lowere so ill see what happens


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