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 kelbri

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Post Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:24 am GMT   Reply      

 

Hey everyone. I have read a couple of threads on here regarding sand substrates. It is definitly something I want to look into doing. More work? Yes. Looks better? In my opinion, yes. My question is does it work for all types of fish (fw)? What is the best way to clean it? I know dizz talked about a couple cups in a bowl, stir untill clear, but he mentioned a hose and bucket routine. Can anybody shed a little light on the best/easiest way to prep sand?

Also, for those who have larger REAL rocks, where do they come from? Do you pick them up at your lfs, or the empty lot down the street? I want to set up a cichlid tank, Malawi style, and love the look of a lot of tanks here. I know that some tanks use the coral looking rocks that I can buy at PetSmart, but what about the slates and other generally smooth rocks?

Here are a couple of the tanks that I am really liking...
dizzcat - http://www.ratemyfishtank.com/photo-main.php/21590
RMcArdle - http://www.ratemyfishtank.com/photo-main.php/24708
cboubou - http://www.ratemyfishtank.com/photo-main.php/24100
meandthekids - http://www.ratemyfishtank.com/photo-main.php/24276



 vwfan79

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Post Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:02 am GMT   Reply      

 

Sand is not that much more work.....it just takes a little more time and getting used to when vacuuming.....the rocks in picture 1,3, and 4 can be gotten at landscape supply store or as you say at the empty lot down the street, just make sure you scrub them good before adding to the tank.....the rocks in picture 2 are texas holy rock, those you get from the lfs and they are not cheap usually between 3 and 5 dollars a pound.....i've spent over $300 just on holy rock, i also have flagstone in my tank that i got from my brother who does landscaping.....look around you can find rocks for cave building in other places then the lfs and for alot cheaper too.



 miami754

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Post Fri Feb 06, 2009 11:45 am GMT   Reply      

 

Yeah, I bought my lace rock from a local fish store. It was $1.30 per pound and I have about 120 pounds in my tank. I would stop in and buy pieces that I thought looked neat. Over time I built up my whole collection. You can also find rocks at rock yards and such (usually the cheaper method), but they often call rocks by different names than they are called in the fish hobby. My LFS has Texas Holy Rock for around $2.50/lb. as well.



 jweb

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Post Fri Feb 06, 2009 1:05 pm GMT   Reply      

 

To clean the sand, just get a 5 gallon bucket or the like, and fill about 1/4 full of sand. Then just use a hose and fill with water in a motion that stirs the sand up. The first time you pour the bucket out it will be very cloudy, just keep doing that until it gets less cloudy. It is nearly impossible to get it completely clean. It might be possible but would take about a week of rinsing every hour of the day, haha. So when you put it into the tank the tank will be slightly cloudy, which is normal. It takes about a full week to settle and clear completely. Make sure you run filtration with activated carbon during this time, as it will aid in clearing it up.



 Snowboss

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Post Fri Feb 06, 2009 1:36 pm GMT   Reply      

 

serial32 set up a fresh water tank here when he lived with us and we were doing a job excavating for a basement, we hit a shale ledge and had to break it all up {long hard week} but anyway, he scavenged some of that shale and scrubbed the hell out of it and put it in there .....looks awsome, he also went to lowes and bought two 50 lb bags of playground sand {like 8 bucks a bag} cleaned it all goo and put it in there as well..........come tank cleanin time he just gently blows the sand suface off with a turkey baster and sucks the big chunks out with a syphon and lets the filter get the rest then services the filter ......beautiful set up

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 kelbri

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Post Fri Feb 06, 2009 2:05 pm GMT   Reply      

 

This is awesome news. For the sand, I have a 29 gallon tank, so would one 20 kg (45 lbs) bag work for that? Is it the same ratio as rock substrate?

Now I just have to find some nice looking rocks that will work. I don't wanna spend a tonne at the lfs, but perhaps the local landscape store would fit my needs. Thanks for the info everyone.



 Burgerking

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Post Fri Feb 06, 2009 2:23 pm GMT   Reply      

 

That will be plenty of sand, too much actually. I used that much in my 75g tank and have a decent depth but want it to be a bit deeper. Keep the rest though, you can use it in other tanks or replace sand that is vaccumed out accidently.

Here is the link that helped me rinse sand.

http://www.cichlid-forum.com/videos/rinsing_sand.php



 kelbri

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Post Fri Feb 06, 2009 2:31 pm GMT   Reply      

 

Ha! That's awesome. It's the exact same bag as I was looking at from the Home Depot online. And the best part, is I can tell the guy's Canadian, since there is english and french on the bag. I'm sold :)



 LeviNHeidi

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Post Fri Feb 06, 2009 2:33 pm GMT   Reply      

 

I found my slate rock at a lfs tucked away out of sight, but during the summer, my fiance and I have taken a 4 wheeler out to rockpiles on farmland. I live in North Dakota, so there is a lot of farmland to roam.



 kelbri

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Post Fri Feb 06, 2009 2:44 pm GMT   Reply      

 

Regina Saskatchewan here, so there is plenty of farmland, but not much for places to find good rockpiles. Maybe I'll wait till I head up north this summer for my annual northern pike fishing trip and find some nice pieces then.



 Snowboss

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Post Fri Feb 06, 2009 6:45 pm GMT   Reply      

 

he must have taken the slate out but heres his profile and you can see the sand anyway........................he took tank safe silicon and coverd some PVC pipe and rolled it in dry sand to cover those "hidey holes" for his fish

his tank is 29 gallons als and he put 1 1/2 bags of sand in, so you can see what that would look like too


i wish the pics were workin so we could see your project
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 a1k8t3

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Post Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:01 pm GMT   Reply      

 

i just redid my 55 with sand what i did is but the sand in filled it up with water stired it up real good then took the python fill and drain thing and faccumed it just like i normally do with gravel...... empied it filled and stired again emptied 1 more time and filled once more and it was good to go.......that way i could wash it all at once anstead of just a little at a time i used play sand from home depot $3 a bag i used 3 bags.....



 dizzcat

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Post Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:13 pm GMT   Reply      

 

Why does everyone think Dizz is a "he"? LOL I'm a GIRL! at least last time I checked lol.

I bought the play sand at Home Depot for $2.98 for a 50 pound bag. I used a big cup and stirred the crap out of small bits at a time. I took all week, doing some here and there, but it was so worth doing such small amounts because the next day my water was crystal clear! And no dust after a water change either. Cichlids love sand, they stick thier noses into it and shake their whole bodies, shoveling, it sending up a huge puff of sand. Or grab mnouthfuls and spit it somewhere else. So fun to watch!

Those rocks (river stones) I picked up from a church lot. I went to the spot farthest from any cars or anything, grabbed a bunch of medium sided ones. I brought them home, scrubbed them, then boiled them. Dumped the water and boiled them again. I did that about 4 times.

I have since changed to Lava/Lace rock tho because the river stone caves got too small for the fish. I get my rock at the same lfs as Miami. Just got $20 worth last weekend. I do what he does, grab a piece every time I am in there. I bought a bunch of pieces that are in an arch shape to make better caves. Here's an updated pic of my tank took last weekend. Still going to get more rocks.
http://www.ratemyfishtank.com/photo-main.php/24737



 jweb

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Post Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:00 pm GMT   Reply      

 

I have a 29 or 30 gallon and a 25 lb bag of sand is a bit too much. Only use about 15-20 lbs.



 vwfan79

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Post Sat Feb 07, 2009 10:05 am GMT   Reply      

 

Dizzy your tank tank is looking really good.


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